New Chairman’s Message (from the AGM)

Louise Gagnon, our new Chairman, gave a lengthy and most impressive speech at our recent AGM and it’s been suggested that people might like to hear it again (or read it), so here it is.

To listen to it, click on this link 

Chairmanship CTC West Surrey – Manifesto to AGM 2 Nov 2013
Good morning everybody!
  • My life was quiet and uneventful until mid –August. This is when I received an email from our Chairman, Roger Philo, asking me: : “Louise, why don’t you consider becoming our next Chairperson?”. Needless to say, this came as a little bit of a surprise
As we all know, a very important part of a Chairperson’s mandate is to provide a focus, a sense of future direction for the activities of the club. So I set about consulting with as many of you as I could, I must have spoken to at least 30 or 40 members, always asking the same 3 questions: where does the club need to go? What do we need to do less of, do more of. I then put all the answers in a big sieve, added my own views, and selected 5 straightforward objectives. So please sit back and let me spend 10 minutes describing where I think our Club should be going.
First of all, a bit of a review of where we are: Regarding our bread and butter which is essentially getting out on our bikes to play, Club members are simply unanimous: we have a fantastic rides and events programme… and it is delivered by a team of totally committed and competent Ride Leaders and Event organisers. In turn, these are supported by an equally committed and hard-working Club Committee who actually runs the Club on our behalf – and they do this very well indeed. What’s not to like about that? No wonder Club members are happy! And so I suggest that Objective #1 be to continue improving on what we do very well. … Already there are rumours that 2014 will include night rides, along with the return of breakfast rides and Tuesday evening Summer rides. A lot of good initiatives – so it’s looking good!

  • Let’s talk a little bit about membership & attendance. In the main, our club attracts a steady trickle of very vibrant 45 to 65 year old, enough to keep the club well rejuvenated. We’ve also had, as of late, a recent surge in the participation of current members, which I think is very good news.
  • Where I think we have a real vulnerability however is in our over-reliance on one Group Leader who also does 95% plus of the Ride Leading. Typically, and I’ve seen this a few times in my 8 years with the Club, when this highly experienced Group Leader cannot keep his/her commitment due to personal reasons, the attendance dwindles and, over time, the Group actually starts to waste away, with some of the newer members never to be seen again. So objective #2 is an appeal to Group Leaders to please mentor enough back up Ride Leaders within your group so we don’t disappoint our members. I am old school: the Rides List is a quasi “contract” we have with our members… and we must do our best to deliver high quality rides as per Rides List. So Group Leaders – if you are not doing it already – please step aside from time to time, let the back-up Ride leaders have a go, and enjoy the view from the back!
  • Speaking to many of you, a good 70% have said that you wished to see more younger faces in the Club and also … more women. In fact, many of you said you wanted to see more younger women! … Er, all joking aside, I believe that attracting younger people is not only desirable but it is entirely do-able. But first, we need to recognise that younger people are typically full on with career or parenting obligations. They are time poor and being time poor means that one is limited to a 3 hour pass on an evening or on a Sunday morning. So our third objective should be to do a Spring Launch adding two more types of rides to our repertoire: (1) buzz ridesshorter, harder and faster rides from 9 to 12 on a Sunday morning. Also, (2) bring back the Tuesday evening Summer rides. This is meant to target a younger audience but good on us if we can attract new members of all ages as well. (And my spies tell me that many current members would also be interested in buzz rides and evening rides…).
  • But you may ask: why wait until Spring 2014 to do this? Because I don’t think we are quite ready yet. We’ll need the necessary structure such as extra Ride Leaders to accommodate these new rides.
  • As well, in the 21st Century if you are to attract anyone, the reality is that you need to have a crisp and inviting website. The current one we have works OK but it does not look like a cycling website, unless you dig a little. And being a bit dull in 2013 is likely to put people off. I think the website has served its purpose very well indeed and hats off to the people who have created and maintained it so far. But it needs updating and many people realise this. And so a refreshed website is what I think should be our fourth objective. If you look up CTC Wantage on the net, you’ll get a good view of the presentation and functionality I think we should be aiming for.

  • And so 4 objectives so far; (1) continue improving what we do well, (2) groom enough back up Ride Leaders within groups, (3) attract younger members with new rides, and (4) refresh our website…
  • How about we zoom out now and talk about… the cycle riding itself. Specifically let’s talk about the changing environment in which we cycle. Overwhelmingly, you have told me that cycling in the South East just isn’t was it used to be in the 70s, 80s, and 90s:
  • Roads are now busier, much busier. There are also much fewer quiet roads as many of them have been turned into rabbit runs thanks to Sat Navs. Also cars are much more powerful than they used to be. In the 70’s you could hear the little Austin gearing up to overtake you… and it took a while for it to do so! Now, powerful Audis can overtake you in seconds few with very little warning – 1.5 ton of metal coming near you at very high velocity…. as if it came out of nowhere.
  • So quite clearly, the placid 20th Century group cycling environment of when we had lots of time to react is no longer with us. It’s gone. In 2013, I would submit to you that our margins for error as cyclists have become quite thin. So isn’t time that we also adapt our group cycling to this new reality?
  • Many members have expressed concerns with the growing tensions on our roads. Many of you are conscious that maybe cyclists have an image problem. But surely that must be the “other” cyclists, you know those pelotons that come down from London on weekends, not us! As many of you know an unfortunate incident happened a few months ago in the Surrey hills, when about 12 cyclists were riding two -three abreast, actually blocking the road – a road which had been busy at the rate of about 2 cars a minute. Meanwhile a car driver who had been waiting 10 meters behind the cyclists for over 15 seconds, finally got a little impatient and blew the car horn, you know a long horn of someone really upset. The cyclists took a little while to single out and finally let the car pass. The bad news for us is that this was a group from CTC West Surrey. I know: I was there. But fortunately I can assure you there was not an ounce of arrogance in our behaviour; we were merely a bunch of dreamy-eyed cyclists, just momentarily absent-minded. But what kind of impression did we leave with this driver – what do you think this driver talked about when he got home? He quite likely lumped us in the same category as the sometimes arrogant pelotons coming down from London. Sadly, that’s the kind of stuff that needlessly tarnishes our image.
  • And although most riders and Ride Leaders do things right, such incidents are not rare. I was floored when I heard many experienced riders recently admit that “oh yeah, at times, we are a disgusting bunch of cyclists”. This isn’t new. Even 10 years ago, there had been early warnings when key characters in our club had identified that the way we were cycling was often inappropriate. An article by one of our most senior and most respected members was then published in our Newsletter and it was entitled “The view from the back”. It was not a pretty picture. Even today, it is not unusual to see 10 or 15 riders bunching up at a junction, partially blocking it. (And I am guilty of this!). Single files, 10 to 12 riders long without any gaps – if you are a motorist, that’s like trying to overtake a vehicle 120 feet long! During my enquiry, at least 3 back markers had reported that they had eventually given up calling “car back” because nothing happened – that is no riders would take any notice, let alone take any action to single out.
  • Given that we, as groups of cyclists, are typically the most visible members of the cycling community, it’s obvious we can’t go on behaving like this. We need to change. We need to change so that (a) we stay safe and (b) we stop looking like a bunch of muppets! (It’s not only bad for recruitment, it’s bad for retention of current members!)
  • Fortunately, we have many excellent role models as we are surrounded by clubs who have given themselves “hymn sheets” or guidelines if you wish, in order to do just that. For CTC Reading, CTC Oxfordshire, CTC Portsmouth, Dorking & Kent cycling clubs… for these clubs detailed Group Riding Guidelines adapted to the 21st Century is old stuff. It’s new to us but it’s not new to them. But we have caught up quickly with guidelines of our own… after having, of course, shamelessly “copied” the best bits from what they had!
  • So, the transition to the new guidelines should be easy as 80% is what we do already. Only 20% is new. Still, it’s a learning curve. This is why we must all – riders and ride leaders alike – give ourselves the permission to get it wrong at times. On the other hand, we also need to give ourselves the mechanisms to ensure we get it right.
  • And if there is someone out there who knows about getting it right, surely it must be Sir David Brailsford, who as you know is the coach for the incredibly successful Sky Cycling Team. The success of the Sky Cycling Team is mostly due to one characteristic; it is simply an aggregation of small improvements. In other words, the small stuff adds up! And on how to achieve success, Sir David has this to say: “What you want is to create an environment where there is a quest for continuous improvement: a culture of excellence where everyone is committed to keep questioning how we can do things better”…. That’s what we try to do from the mechanics upwards. “If a mechanic sticks a tyre on, and someone comes along and says it could be done better, it’s not an insult – it’s because we are always striving for improvement, for those 1% gains in absolutely every single thing we do”.
  • And so it is normal procedure for the Sky Team to meet during training breaks or after a race to discuss how things can be improved and… everyone’s opinion counts. When I read this, I thought “by golly, Sir David has plagiarised the very last article of our guidelines!”. Article # 64; the one under “Post-ride debrief” says: “…. invite riders to provide feedback on what could be improved”. 3 minutes. 3 minutes at the end of a ride, just like the Sky Team; that’s all it takes for you Ride Leaders out there to … bit by bit.. build your group into a well-oiled, safe cycling machine – immaterial of their cycling ability.
  • By now, you know what I am getting at. Our 5th objective should be to inculcate a culture of continuous improvement regarding our group riding. A culture where we strive to continually get better at making our package safer for our riders and more courteous for other road users. And the Post-Ride debrief is one of the two pillars of this. The second pillar is to have Ride Leaders and Back Markers share ideas with each other during a 2 hour Best Practice workshop, say every 6 months. Funded by the Club, they could meet in a pub like this and share the tricks of the trade on how they are making things work.
  • One final thing, just to put the icing on the cake. As one prominent employee of the CTC recently said to me: “one of the things CTC does not do enough is to be seen to promote respect for other road users, even if they don’t respect us…. Cyclists have to initiate the development of mutual respect and tolerance”.
  • Now that’s a statement adapted for the 21st Century! We already know that as groups of cyclists we are typically the most visible members of the cycling community. As a result we don’t need to be reminded why we need to be billboards of exemplary behavior. But we can do more. And if we really want to fast forward the development of that mutual respect there is nothing like the human connection.
  • It’s very simple: a wave and a smile or a thumbs up; simple habits that will see us reinforce any sign of goodwill from other road users. A motorist waits a while to overtake you safely, give her a wave as the car goes by. A motorists waves you past at a junction, wear that smile, connect visually with the driver, and give him a little wave. Slow right down as you go pass walkers on shared paths; say hello. Don’t be shy; be proud to be the best cycling ambassador you can be. Force yourself to win motorists back one at a time… with your exemplary behaviour, with your wave and with your smile. Ladies and gentlemen, keep doing this and I am convinced that one day soon we will re-connect, this time positively, with that motorist that we cheesed off 2 months ago in the Surrey Hills! Thank you.

A BCQ Ride by Chris Jeggo

The 7th of November turned out to be a fine autumn day, far pleasanter than the immediately preceding wet Wednesday, which was better spent catching up with admin chores, giving the mid-week club ride a miss.  I decided to visit three more BCQ locations.

The British Cycle Quest is run by the CTC as a challenge for cycletourists.  There are six places to visit in each county in the UK, with a question to answer at each.  If you submit your answers on official forms you can win certificates, medals and trophies, if that turns you on.  Not me.  However, the checkpoints have been chosen to be in interesting places, in good cycling areas, so I have found them to be an inspiration for bike rides that take me to locations which I would probably not have visited otherwise but which turned out to be worth visiting.

Having already ‘collected’ just about all the checkpoints that can be reached in a day ride from home, I loaded the bike into the car and drove to Whitchurch in the Test Valley, only fifty minutes via M3, A303 and A34.

My first objective was Walbury Hill on the chalk ridge, so I set off through the lanes to St Mary Bourne.  Once Whitchurch and its noisy bypass were left behind, the peace of the countryside emphasised the lack of traffic and the smoothness of the road surfaces.

St Mary Bourne is a very pleasant village with a suitably imposing inn (The George) and church (of flint and stone and dating back at least 800 years).  It is a typical Hampshire village in other ways, containing a fair number of timber-framed cottages and of brick and flint cottages, a good few of them thatched.  I noticed that one timber-framed cottage had the framework filled in with alternating courses of brick and flint, a bit unusual but totally in keeping.  The village straddles its chalk stream, The Bourne Rivulet, and a B road, which was carrying very little traffic.

The latter took me three miles through stream-side pastures to the next village, Hurstbourne Tarrant, where I turned right on to the A343 for less than half a mile before forking left into another lane.  This time I was climbing, almost imperceptibly, a dry valley, through deciduous and mixed woodland where the valley was narrower, and spacious undulating arable fields where the valley broadened and had side branches.  Pheasants were everywhere.  The road started to tilt seriously upwards just before I reached Combe Manor, and at this point I realised that I had only encountered one other moving vehicle in the last five miles, and that was a road bike piloted by an attractive young blonde.

>From Combe it’s a short, steady low-gear climb to the top, where the BCQ-er has to avoid ‘falling off the edge’ as the road immediately plunges even more steeply down the scarp slope of the downs.  The immense rolling panorama to the north appears so rapidly during the last few yards of the ascent as to cause an intake of breath.  Vast acres of Berkshire, Wiltshire and Oxfordshire are spread out beneath you.  The next great chalk ridge, the one carrying the Ridgeway, can be seen a good few leagues distant.  Closer, a few miles away, the Kennet valley, where the next objective is to be found, is easily picked out.  For the present objective one must turn right for a side road and the Walbury Hill car park.  And there is the monument commemorating army rehearsals which took place on the lands at my feet in the weeks leading up to D-Day.

Details noted, it was down, down, down through Inkpen, down nearly all the way to Hungerford Common, an extensive, open, grassy area adorned with several avenues.  Grazing animals were contentedly lunching, for, yes, it was indeed lunch-time, but mine had to wait until I had answered the second question, cycling away from the eateries of Hungerford to the newest avenue, of copper beeches, planted to celebrate the Millenium, or ‘Minnellium’, as Victoria Wood called it in ‘Dinnerladies’.

Whatever made me think of dinner?  I hastened to the canal bridge at the foot of Hungerford High Street, where the Tutti Pole Cafe is to be found and can be relied upon to serve good food at a reasonable price.  I have eaten there a few times over the years, and it is mentioned on quite a few cycling club websites.

Re-fuelled, I set off up the Kennet valley towards the third BCQ checkpoint in Ramsbury, taking the direct route as I was beginning to wonder whether I would get back to Whitchurch before sunset.  The B4192 to and through Chilton Foliat was undergoing re-surfacing, and had been planed, but, as you will know, this is not planing as a wood-worker would know it.  That made my fillings rattle a bit, but at least the road was not closed, which might have happened had my timing been different, according to a few yellow road signs scattered about the area.  Ramsbury, three miles further on, is another attractive village with a decidedly traditional feel to it.  I answered the question, took a few photos, and started my return journey.

Cycle Route 20 to Froxfield starts up a 17% hill, which was manageable as the traffic had cleared a strip of tarmac amidst all the wet fallen leaves.  The descent to Froxfield gives good views of the Bath Road heading towards Savernake Forest and Marlborough.  It was a bit busy, but it is no longer a primary route since the M4 runs parallel.  It is in fact a very pleasant road to cycle along when the traffic is really light, e.g. before breakfast time on a summer morning.  Cycle Route 20 continued out of Froxfield up another ‘single-arrow’ hill, but not so steep nor so long as the previous one.

From Little Bedwyn to Great Bedwyn the route runs parallel to the Kennet and Avon canal.  A couple of miles further on can be found the Crofton Beam Engines, one of which is an 1812 original by Boulton and Watt.  They pump water from reliable local sources to the canal’s summit level a mile further west.  Where the canal goes, the railway follows, and so does cycle Route 20, but not I.  My direct route left the valley at Great Bedwyn to re-cross the chalk ridge to Oxenwood, and then down the valley through Vernham Dean and Upton back to Hurstbourne Tarrant.

Sunset found me near St Mary Bourne, so the lamps and reflective stuff came out of the saddlebag for the last few miles.  The end of a memorable cycling day out.

7.11.13

Bob Macleod in his “Budgie Smugglers”

Laurie Mutch writes:
 
Bob apparently leapt out of the house on Wednesday morning in a hurry only to discover that he had grabbed completely inappropriate clothing for a wet ride (or perhaps very appropriate as a swimming costume). He then had a choice of returning home to face his wife or the amusement of his fellow cyclists.

On arrival, his cycling “friends” absolutely collapsed in laughter – especially given the white gap between his summer tanned legs and the budgie smugglers.

Surrey Cycling Strategy Consultation ~ Read all about it!


  Five CTC members attended the once in a decade live Surrey Cycling Debate at Surrey UniversityUnfortunately little of the discussion was on Surrey’s Cycling Strategy. Concerns were expressed by Surrey residents about the behaviour of cyclists and the number of cycling events in the County and their impact on access and business. Both the police and residents spoke about poorly supervised and undisciplined sportives. In many respects a lost opportunity to debate the strategy and develop common ground.

Over the past month the Surrey Cycling Strategy Consultation has been taking place. Your committee has made an official response, as has Guildford’s Cycling Forum. Keith Chesterton, who some of you will know, has been keeping some of us in the loop with information.  There follow some links and copies of emails which will, I hope, put anyone wishing to learn more, in the picture as far as the current status quo is concerned.

Email from Keith on 1 November

I attach draft minutes of the last meeting. Please advise me of any alterations needed.
As agreed then, I have arranged another meeting primarily to agree our response to the GBC consultation on transport issues for the Local Plan. (We normally have meetings about every 3 months.)
Owing to GBC staff holidays I arranged it for 6pm on Tuesday Nov 19th. I hope you can make it,
Please let me know if you cannot & if so alternative dates
It might be possible to rearrange but it would  need to be before Nov 26th.
Note the Local Plan can be found on www.guildfordlocalplan.info
Transport starts on page 33 of the Local Plan Strategy Issues & Sites document, where cycling & walking are dealt with briefly.
It is important that you read this section before the meeting.
If you can’t come, please send me points before the meeting.
Keith Chesterton

Note: the meeting date has subsequently changed to Monday, as shown below:

PLEASE NOTE – We have changed the date. It is now MONDAY NOVEMBER 18th (& NOT Tues 19th) We changed owing to a number not being able to make the Tuesday.
The Meeting will be at 6pm in the Council Chamber at Guildford Borough Council – we will occupy a small part of this.
Please let me know whether you can come on this revised date.
I attach draft minutes of the last meeting (circ previously). Please advise me of any alterations needed.

This meeting is primarily to agree our response to the GBC consultation on transport issues for the Local Plan. (We normally have meetings about every 3 months.)

Note the Local Plan can be found on www.guildfordlocalplan.info

Transport starts on page 33 of the Local Plan Strategy Issues & Sites document, where cycling & walking are dealt with briefly.

It is important that you read this section before the meeting.

If you can’t come, please send me points before the meeting.
3 points we will probably want to make are:
1. We support the Plan’s focus on sustainable transport, esp cycling
2. For cycling to increase significantly, Guildford needs  continuous safe routes for cycling across the borough
3. Developments, especially in the town centre, should incorporate safe routes for cycling, lightly trafficed or traffic free. The should NOT, as many previous planned developments in Guildford have done, push cyclists onto busy main roads
Keith Chesterton

The link to the minutes of the Forum meeting dated 22 October may be found on the West Surrey website under ‘Downloads’.

Responses to the Plan may also be found on the West Surrey website under ‘Downloads’. *

*Please note that these documents are exactly what was sent out. I’m not convinced the titles correspond to the content exactly, but fathoming it all out seems very complicated.

Our Committee’s formal response to the Surrey Cycling Strategy may be found on the West Surrey website under ‘Downloads’.

Do be aware that the meeting to discuss these responses is on Monday 18 November. Member Dave Sharpington comments:

Hi Keith

Sorry again, but I am away over this long w/e. I support your statements but would make some additional points as below:

 1. Whilst narrow the towpath is increasingly used to avoid the gyratory. Further improvements to the surface would not cost much and take much traffic off road. A ramp to the bridge at Dapdune, and widening of the path onward east to Woodbridge road would also help.

2. I believe the A3 underpass with the Wey at the Woodbridge site to be a very economic option and was pleased to have support from Chris Peck,CTC and John Gibson,NT. I do not understand the lack of enthusiasm elsewhere.

3. NCN 22 – The Mount remains dangerous. The descent to the junction with the Portsmouth Rd places a great reliance on brakes, and could be the site of a serious accident. The alternative used during the Sustrans trial event (turn right toward Upper Guildown Road before the descent) remains a good alternative, but would need the off road track status changed (it already has a good wide surface)

Keith makes the following comments:

The main purpose of the meeting is to agree our response to Guildford’s consultation on its Local Plan.

Additionally, Dave Sharpington will bring a set of A3 copies of the town centre so everyone has them, so it’s a point of reference without going through them in detail.

He’ll also bring along some cycle guides so we have some maps of the whole Borough.

He will  also put on the maps his suggestions for routes so far. People can then take the maps away, add their own ideas and bring them back the next time the Forum meets, when we’ll collate them on to one big map.

Keith
Remember 6pm on Monday in Council Chamber

Surrey Cycling Strategy Consultation ~ Read all about it!

  Five CTC members attended the once in a decade live Surrey Cycling Debate at Surrey UniversityUnfortunately little of the discussion was on Surrey’s Cycling Strategy. Concerns were expressed by Surrey residents about the behaviour of cyclists and the number of cycling events in the County and their impact on access and business. Both the police and residents spoke about poorly supervised and undisciplined sportives. In many respects a lost opportunity to debate the strategy and develop common ground.

Over the past month the Surrey Cycling Strategy Consultation has been taking place. Your committee has made an official response, as has Guildford’s Cycling Forum. Keith Chesterton, who some of you will know, has been keeping some of us in the loop with information.  There follow some links and copies of emails which will, I hope, put anyone wishing to learn more, in the picture as far as the current status quo is concerned.

Email from Keith on 1 November

I attach draft minutes of the last meeting. Please advise me of any alterations needed.
As agreed then, I have arranged another meeting primarily to agree our response to the GBC consultation on transport issues for the Local Plan. (We normally have meetings about every 3 months.)
Owing to GBC staff holidays I arranged it for 6pm on Tuesday Nov 19th. I hope you can make it,
Please let me know if you cannot & if so alternative dates
It might be possible to rearrange but it would  need to be before Nov 26th.
Note the Local Plan can be found on www.guildfordlocalplan.info
Transport starts on page 33 of the Local Plan Strategy Issues & Sites document, where cycling & walking are dealt with briefly.
It is important that you read this section before the meeting.
If you can’t come, please send me points before the meeting.
Keith Chesterton

Note: the meeting date has subsequently changed to Monday, as shown below:

PLEASE NOTE – We have changed the date. It is now MONDAY NOVEMBER 18th (& NOT Tues 19th) We changed owing to a number not being able to make the Tuesday.
The Meeting will be at 6pm in the Council Chamber at Guildford Borough Council – we will occupy a small part of this.
Please let me know whether you can come on this revised date.
I attach draft minutes of the last meeting (circ previously). Please advise me of any alterations needed.
This meeting is primarily to agree our response to the GBC consultation on transport issues for the Local Plan. (We normally have meetings about every 3 months.)
Note the Local Plan can be found on www.guildfordlocalplan.info
Transport starts on page 33 of the Local Plan Strategy Issues & Sites document, where cycling & walking are dealt with briefly.
It is important that you read this section before the meeting.
If you can’t come, please send me points before the meeting.
3 points we will probably want to make are:
1. We support the Plan’s focus on sustainable transport, esp cycling
2. For cycling to increase significantly, Guildford needs  continuous safe routes for cycling across the borough
3. Developments, especially in the town centre, should incorporate safe routes for cycling, lightly trafficed or traffic free. The should NOT, as many previous planned developments in Guildford have done, push cyclists onto busy main roads
Keith Chesterton

The link to the minutes of the Forum meeting dated 22 October may be found on the West Surrey website under ‘Downloads’.

Responses to the Plan may also be found on the West Surrey website under ‘Downloads’. *

*Please note that these documents are exactly what was sent out. I’m not convinced the titles correspond to the content exactly, but fathoming it all out seems very complicated.

Our Committee’s formal response to the Surrey Cycling Strategy may be found on the West Surrey website under ‘Downloads’.

Do be aware that the meeting to discuss these responses is on Monday 18 November. Member Dave Sharpington comments:

Hi Keith
Sorry again, but I am away over this long w/e. I support your statements but would make some additional points as below:

 1. Whilst narrow the towpath is increasingly used to avoid the gyratory. Further improvements to the surface would not cost much and take much traffic off road. A ramp to the bridge at Dapdune, and widening of the path onward east to Woodbridge road would also help.

2. I believe the A3 underpass with the Wey at the Woodbridge site to be a very economic option and was pleased to have support from Chris Peck,CTC and John Gibson,NT. I do not understand the lack of enthusiasm elsewhere.
3. NCN 22 – The Mount remains dangerous. The descent to the junction with the Portsmouth Rd places a great reliance on brakes, and could be the site of a serious accident. The alternative used during the Sustrans trial event (turn right toward Upper Guildown Road before the descent) remains a good alternative, but would need the off road track status changed (it already has a good wide surface)

Keith makes the following comments:

The main purpose of the meeting is to agree our response to Guildford’s consultation on its Local Plan.

Additionally, Dave Sharpington will bring a set of A3 copies of the town centre so everyone has them, so it’s a point of reference without going through them in detail.

He’ll also bring along some cycle guides so we have some maps of the whole Borough.

He will  also put on the maps his suggestions for routes so far. People can then take the maps away, add their own ideas and bring them back the next time the Forum meets, when we’ll collate them on to one big map.

Keith
Remember 6pm on Monday in Council Chamber